Xatrix Security

[Xcellerator]

I say that Windows is better because it can do 90% of what macs do plus more (and MS Office don't cost you £300 on pcs )
AND Windows isn't nearly as much...

And yes, obviously I was talking about buying a whole system, not the software cds...


Besides, it doesn't really matter about prices, seeing that most people download software illegally now...
(NOTE: I DO NOT DOWNLOAD PIRATED SOFTWARE FROM ILLEGAL SITES!!!

[Quaon]

I say that Windows is better because it can do 90% of what macs do plus more (and MS Office don't cost you £300 on pcs )
AND Windows isn't nearly as much...

And yes, obviously I was talking about buying a whole system, not the software cds...


Besides, it doesn't really matter about prices, seeing that most people download software illegally now...
(NOTE: I DO NOT DOWNLOAD PIRATED SOFTWARE FROM ILLEGAL SITES!!!

Haha, dude, don't worry about putting disclaimers like that. I established a "Blanket of Hypotheticallity" a while ago: announces/blanket-hypotheticallity-t2039.html

[cheesepuff]

Show me a PC loaded with an OS for that shit-hot price you quoted. Oh and mac mini will cost £500 so shove your £800 where you like it.

And rember, this is windows vs mac.. the OS is being compared, not hardware... xD

Mac OS+iWork: £25+£50 = £75
Windows+Office: (using your imaginary price tag which is OEM not retail): £125+£200
Apple gives you everything you want, without having 6 versions of mixed abilities, just one low-cost-do-everything package.
Find me retail windows for that price, latest release please!
Enjoy my two fingers!

[heebyjeebys]

vistas cheap because its a failed operating system. xp is also cheap because its old.
linux and free stuff is great and all (apache is amazing), and everyone does love free stuff.
mac is also great because you get everything in one - no hassles (well mostly) and a great user experiance
there is benefits to them all!

from my point of view, because of windows popularity its easy to make money off it if you know what your doing. people will pay through the nose for a decent IT service.

linux doesn't get the same because of its freeness' and its quite a niche product (taking into perspective everything). with so many distros and versions its really pointless trying to sell that to people, who probably dont know how to use the dam thing anyway. at least you dont have to pay for the ruddy windows licence.

mac is also cheaper in some aspects, laptops are competitivly priced for their features, desktops and all-in-ones also. but their server, though in some cases not as robust as window server, there are a lot less costs associated with mac server.. no CALs, and no need to get seperate server products to do mail and whathaveyou.

you could argue linux server is free so its better ... personally i like to have a userinterface when i configure a server (dont tell me about the web interface because i dont care)

[muto]

Cheesepuff :

Desktop with Windows - £200 inc - http://www.it247.com/product/1/HEWSUB41 ... 7_GHz.html [+]
Office - £23 inc - http://www.lambda-tek.com/componentshop ... dID=B66127 [-]

Total - £223

If you still demand Vista (despite your complaints about it), you can send XP back, get a refund, and pick up Vista Business for £20 http://www.ballicom.co.uk/software/oem- ... 90409.html [+]

So, I have that £50 on software, and £175 on a machine. Care to find a Mac that beats that?
:>


Heeby :

You can get paid Linux support (RedHat and SUSE are the main two), which helps make the attractive towards businesses. In terms of stability, Mac is well above Windows as a server platform, but still isn't as strong as Linux/BSD/Solaris. You really shouldn't be wasting resources running a GUI for a server (which Linux can do perfectly well, by the way, and has some nice management tools in the RedHat or Debian branches). However, for the machines I look after at work, all the Windows ones load to GUI because you don't have much choice, and all the Linux/BSD ones load to the command line, and most of the management is done through SSH, or a web interface for the pfsense box.

[TJ_2k7]

In my opinion, the people who claim Mac is rubbish and that Windows the better haven't had a proper experience on one.
I'm going to take heeby as an example (sorry )

He hated them, thought Windows beat Mac in every aspect until he went on a friends mac. A real one and not a store one which has been battered.
Suddenly, he's converted!

Also, the fact that people downgraded to XP and Microsoft offered this to people shows it was a complete disaster of an OS.

I don't see Apple giving out downgrades; do you?


Oh and I haven't got a clue about servers; but i think people use Linux more for that more. Since its less about User Interface =/

[heebyjeebys]

thank you TJ .. for reminding me how foolish i was

you could argue that because of the lack of GUI the linux server is less resource hungury, but the windows gui, though its loaded into the computers memory isn't actually being used when no one is logged on (so therefore it isn't being processed)

[heebyjeebys]

I've got a mac!!
Macbook Pro .. came on wednesday


so far, its great! can't fault it at all

[Quaon]

One of the gripes I have with Mac is their commercials. For one, they blanket cover all PC's as Windows, completely ignoring Linux. Moreover, they conveniently sidestep the issue of gaming. And open source software. And the vastly superior amount of 3rd party software available online for PC's (both Windows and Linux).

Every time a pro-mac person points out the commercials as being "so clear" or "totally right", I just want to punch them in the face.

But hey, thats just me.

[muto]

Also, if you look at most of the points they make in those commercials, and compare it to an updated version of Windows, it's complete bollocks. my XP install has never bluescrened, with the exception of the time I was playing around with some (beta) drivers to give me raw disk access. I've never got a virus on it. All the hardware I've ever bought for it has worked fine. Most of the points have some validity against Vista the day it was released, but by SP2, Vista is fairly stable.